Infiniti Q45 oil pan removal procedure

N. Harriet wrote:

 > Do you know how to drop a 1993 Infiniti Q45 oil pan?
 >
 > A biker dropped his pannier in front of me on the freeway.
 > After dragging the saddlebag for 100 yards, I ran out of oil.
 > Turns out I gouged and dented my Q45 oilpan beyond repair.
 > I went down below but can't figure out how to drop that oil pan.
 > So much heavy duty suspension stuff seems to be in the way.
 >

Exactly, most of these types of cars need at least the front crossmember
lowered to get the pan off. Never done a Q but all the later Z cars are
like this.
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Steve

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AZGuy wrote:

 > wrote:
 >
  >> Do you know how to drop a 1993 Infiniti Q45 oil pan?
  >>
  >> A biker dropped his pannier in front of me on the freeway.
  >> After dragging the saddlebag for 100 yards, I ran out of oil.
  >> Turns out I gouged and dented my Q45 oilpan beyond repair.
  >> I went down below but can't figure out how to drop that oil pan.
  >> So much heavy duty suspension stuff seems to be in the way.
  >>
  >> Anyone have a description of what the steps are?
  >> How long is the shop rating?
 >
 >
 > Shouldn't either his or your insurance cover this???

That depends on the insurance. The other guy's insurance should cover this,
assuming he has insurance, and his identity is known. If not, it could be
covered by uninsured motorist property damage or comprehensive, depending on
the circumstances, if that type of coverage exists.
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AZGuy wrote:

 > wrote:
 >
  >> Do you know how to drop a 1993 Infiniti Q45 oil pan?
  >>
  >> A biker dropped his pannier in front of me on the freeway.
  >> After dragging the saddlebag for 100 yards, I ran out of oil.
  >> Turns out I gouged and dented my Q45 oilpan beyond repair.
  >> I went down below but can't figure out how to drop that oil pan.
  >> So much heavy duty suspension stuff seems to be in the way.
  >>

What does it say in the manual?? These things come in handy and I can't
stress enough how important it is to have one for each car you own
especially if you intend to do work on it.

Fwed
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q45yesman wrote:
 > I'd be very surprised if a 1993 is insured against collision & theft.

I have a 1991 that's insured against collision and theft. I also have a
$1000 deductible. The extra coverage cost very little. The replacement
cost for my vehicle through a dealer in my area with my low mileage is
$5,648. Considering that the slightest damage can cost a few thousand
dollars these days, it's been worth it for me. Since the vehicle was new,
my wife has had two minor scrapes with it. They were both expensive to fix,
both well over $1000, and both low enough that they did not raise my rates.
The most recent one was within the past year. The payment I got made up for
the premiums. Had I dropped collision five years ago, or even more, I would
not have saved enough money to have made up for what it would have cost
without it.

Also, many people get insurance when the vehicle is new and just send in a
check when the bill comes without thinking about it. If the extra amount
added up to hundreds of dollars, perhaps I'd consider dropping it.
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In article , "Miki" wrote:
 >The first step in the service manual says: "Remove engine."

Are you sure? What manual are you looking at? All Infiniti Q45 cars seem to
come with a shop manual in the trunk, so everyone has one.The shop manual
I have does NOT state to remove the engine in the oilpan removal section.

The bad news is the shop manual only has two pages on the process.
1= Remove engine under cover
2= Drain engine oil
3= Remove fan coupling with fan
4= Remove the following parts
(all drive belts, alternator, air compressor, engine gusset)
5= Remove steering lower joint
6= Set a suitable transmission jack under the transmission.
Hoist engine with engine slinger.
7= Remove suspension member assembly
8= Remove oil pan bolts and nuts
9= Remove oil pan

A lot appears to be missing from the shop manual (which is typical). Just
looking at that front engine crossmember gives me the willies. It must have
dozens of bolts with steering and suspension parts and wires all over the
place.

If anyone has written a good guide to an oil pan removal, pleaes let me know.
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In article , "Hagrinas Mivali"
wrote:
   >>> A biker dropped his pannier in front of me on the freeway.
   >>> After dragging the saddlebag for 100 yards, I ran out of oil.
   >>> Turns out I gouged and dented my Q45 oilpan beyond repair.

  >> Shouldn't either his or your insurance cover this???

 >That depends on the insurance.

All I have is liability. Nothing else.
I didn't think anyone covers a car once it hit eight to ten years, do they?
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 >Shouldn't either his or your insurance cover this???
If you see a guy with a helmet and Aerostitch on a big black BMW with only one
saddlebag, tell him I'm looking for him. He owes me some money. Plus when he
gets home, he's going to want all that stuff that must've been in that
saddlebag (I found gray toshiba portable computer parts all over my engine and
ladies underthings .. no kiddin).
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In article , "fweddybear"
wrote:
 > What does it say in the manual?? These things come in handy and I can't
 >stress enough how important it is to have one for each car you own

A factory shop manual comes with every Q45 sold AFAIK. It's built like a
boxer three inches thick but only four inches wide by six inches long with
print only someone under 30 can actually read.

That one line that says "remove suspension member assembly" must be a
japanese joke because there are a hundred things attached to that frame member
including steering, suspension, motor mounts, and tons of hoses and electrical
wires.

I'll bet those engineers are still laughing today about writing that stuff up
in the early nineties.
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In article , "q45yesman" wrote:
 >I'd be very surprised if a 1993 is insured against collision & theft.

It isn't. I didn't think anyone insured a ten year old Q.

 >The whole procedure is explained on the Nissan Infiniti Club site
 >www.nicoclub.com

I just looked. That web site is awesome! More about Nissan and Infiniti
cars that all of the usenet combined. But I didn't find the oil pan removal
procedure in the search. Do you have a better link?
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In article , "Hagrinas Mivali" wrote:
 >
 >
 >q45yesman wrote:
  >> I'd be very surprised if a 1993 is insured against collision & theft.
 >
 >I have a 1991 that's insured against collision and theft. I also have a
 >$1000 deductible. The extra coverage cost very little.

Wow. I want to live in your state!

Even though I have a clean record, my insurance agent quoted over a thousand
dollars a year additional to cover the twelve year old Q45 for damage. Maybe
it's because I have twin driving age teenagers at home but it sure looked as
if the insurance company really didn't want to insure the vehicle and neither
did I once they quoted those yearly premiums.

The good news is that these Q45s are bullet proof. You just can't kill those
engines!
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q45yesman wrote:

 > I'd be very surprised if a 1993 is insured against collision & theft.
 >
 > You need to drop the oil pan out the bottom.
 > You do NOT need to remove the Q45 VH45DE engine.
<snip>

Wow. I wouldn'a thought it possible. A car sufficiently convoluted that
it makes service procedures for a Northstar Cadillac appear logical.
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N. Harriet wrote:

  >>Shouldn't either his or your insurance cover this???
 >
 > If you see a guy with a helmet and Aerostitch on a big black BMW with only one
 > saddlebag, tell him I'm looking for him. He owes me some money. Plus when he
 > gets home, he's going to want all that stuff that must've been in that
 > saddlebag (I found gray toshiba portable computer parts all over my engine and
 > ladies underthings .. no kiddin).

I can see how the toshiba parts could have gotten all over the engines,
but how did they get on your ladies underthings?

(sorry, never can resist a grammatical joke...)


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N. Harriet wrote:


   >>>> A biker dropped his pannier in front of me on the freeway.
   >>>> After dragging the saddlebag for 100 yards, I ran out of oil.
   >>>> Turns out I gouged and dented my Q45 oilpan beyond repair.
 >
   >>> Shouldn't either his or your insurance cover this???
 >
  >> That depends on the insurance.
 >
 > All I have is liability. Nothing else.
 > I didn't think anyone covers a car once it hit eight to ten years, do
 > they?

Absolutely, but you have to weigh the cost against the benefits. Once the
book value sinks, it's often not worth it. A typical 10 year old car is
worth $1-2000. If you want something affordable, you need a high deductible.
If you have insurance for a $1000 car with a $1000 deductible, then in
theory, you would never collect, because the car would be considered totaled
if the damage exceeds book value. If it's worth $2000, and insurance cost an
extra $300/year, then unless you think there's a 1 in 3 chance of a serious
accident, it's still not worth it. Since insurance companies never pay more
than what a car is worth, it could be considered totalled if somebody steals
a radio.

I live in an area of the US where cars are expensive, and so is insurance.
But comprehensive is about $50, and collision is about $80. My book value
is close to $6000, and my insurance company is pretty good at paying what it
would cost me to get a similar vehicle in my area.

I don't know what it costs to have a dealer replace an oil pan, but I know
it can cost $300-400 to have a simple hose replaced under some
circumstances. If this happened to me, I'd still be out at most $1000, but
I suspect that the part that the insurance company would pay would be
greater than my comprehensive payments.

If there were another driver involved and he was responsible, then he would
have to pay. But if he had no insurance, then my "uninsured motor vehicle
property damage" insurance would cover that. That cost me $3.65 on my
policy. In theory, the insurance company would still go after the other
person, but it would not be my problem.

Even without insurance, if you know who the other person is, he's probably
responsible. There's always small claims court.
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